If money and space is the worry I found some free sites that might serve as temps until a permanent forum can be made if so chosen http://www.forumer.com/ http://www.forumhoster.com/ http://invisionfree.com/ http://www.myfreebulletinboard.com/ so tired yet always thinking..... I must also say im kinda surprised...I had to house sit for someone for 3 days, get back to my computer at home, come here and find some "people" were starting petty arguements with no good intentions (we all know which ones) while "verbally" abusing someone for their opinion or beliefs...but I digress, it is hopefully done for and won't happen at such a strong degree of hate again..... it is fun to debate, not to argue... I really need to stop over analyzing everything and just rest, good night